I know when you read the title, you are maybe thinking that this equates to modernism, but in reality it does not. This is the promised continuation of my discussion from yesterday, and it may take a while to formulate a few thoughts on this one as I am still wading through ideas myself. It was inspired by seeing those Pentecostal churches in Brazil with orchestras including the colossal saxophones, and with everything else I have been thinking over, it struck a chord (pardon the pun!) with me. I am just going to dive right in and see where it takes us.
I am reminded of a sentence in the article I differed fundamentally with Fr. Michael in our parish bulletin a couple of weeks back where he said "The truth of Catholicism is that the eternal is made present to us in the particular time in which we live." What Fr. Michael says here - at least on the surface and at face value - is not fundamentally wrong, and in the context of what it actually says I have no problem with the statement. The problem with the statement, however, is that it is often used as a gaslight to push some odd things in regard to eternal truth and established teaching, which does not change. James Martin goes by this rationale when he tries to push homosexual marriage as somehow a "godly thing," in that because it relates to the particular time and place where we are, we as a Church should just absorb it and not only accept it, but even celebrate it as "good." That is the fundamental problem with Fr. Michael's statement - it lacks clarity on so many levels. How, for instance, is "the eternal made present" in a particular day and age?? This strikes at the root of his statement and what it is trying to say. If it means that we become informed enough to develop a sound apologetic to address certain things, then I think that is good. Also, if it means utilizing things such as new technology and even linguistic elements to more effectively communicate eternal truth in a way that relates to the world around us, I am definitely all on board with that. Being Catholic does not mean you have to adopt the Luddite off-the-grid life of the Amish, nor does it mean we have to say "If the King James Bible was good enough for Jesus it's good enough for me," like our Fundamentalist friends. I don't think any responsible person of sound faith and good will could espouse stuff like that in all honesty. At the same time "making the eternal present" does not mean we adopt and accept things contrary to the faith either, and it does not mean totally forgetting the traditions of the past as some propose in the Vatican right now. We also have things like natural law to consider - the biological reality that there are two distinct yet complementary sexes/genders (yes, they are the same despite some rhetoric you hear) who together form a perfect union that ensures the continuation of the species. That being said, "same-sex marriage" is a contradiction, and it is not something the Church has ever taught or promoted. If anything, such heterodox nonsense as propped up by James Martin and the like actually regress the Catholic faith by making it mirror the pagans who persecuted the early Church - did the martyrs die for nothing? The acceptance of sinful lifestyles in the name of "progress" or "justice" does not therefore in any way truly make present the eternal - if anything, it insults it. It would be wise then for Fr, Michael to further elaborate what he means by his sentence.
That all prefaces my own thoughts, as there is a bit of inspiration I got yesterday when for some reason my interest in giant saxophones and my faith sort of met at a crossroad of thought. It is something that has been brewing in my mind for a while and I have not really been able to articulate it like I wanted to so I am going to try to do so here even if it takes me several days to pound it out in the keyboard. As a Catholic, I believe in eternal truth, and don't believe in compromise on major tenets of it. However, I am not so much against feasible adaptability either, especially when it is something that doesn't conflict with the eternal truth itself. This is what I believe making eternal truth present in the particular time we live in is about. As anyone knows who has read my stuff for a while and also who I have personally talked to, this informs my whole journey of faith - from my earliest Pentecostal days, to my participation in the Convergence Movement, to my embrace of some diverse ideas such as the old Catholic Apostolic Church movement of the 1830s as well as reading the whole heritage of the faith - I am not confined to just Aquinas or some Western theologians, although I value them, but I have a lot of other people who have shaped and formed both my faith and my particular worldview. I have read the works of Manuel Lacunza as well as of Apostolos Makrakis, and that informs my eschatology as much as reading the Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser. I also have drawn inspiration from Wesley and some Protestant people like him, including some modern writers I have read such as David Wilkerson, Leonard Ravenhill, A.W. Tozer, Kathryn Kuhlman, Watchman Nee, and others. And, I picked up a lot from the Christian East as well, as I am thoroughly well-read in people such as Seraphim Rose (his commentary on Genesis is one of the best I have read), Fr. Alexander Schmemann, Fr. Eusebius Stephanou, Lev Gillet, and others. I feel that these sources have given me perhaps a more well-rounded faith than I might otherwise have had, and while I will probably catch fire from both die-hard traditionalists as well as modernists, I don't frankly give a rat's behind about it because often you have to look under a few rocks to find gems, and it's what you do with them after you find them that matters. This is where I want to get into my own perspective on my faith formation.
There are many writers I read and I like, and on occasion I may disagree with an issue here and there - that is natural. What I have come to understand is that a point of disagreement does not necessarily warrant discarding the whole thing, but rather I use a well-worn cliche to explain how to process information. Imagine if you will sitting down at your favorite pizza place for a meal, and you are very hungry. However despite the fact you may only want plain cheese on your pizza, the chef in the back mistakingly sends you a supreme with everything on it. What do you do? It depends on how generous the toppings are on it. In some cases, you just pick off the offending mushroom or pepper and eat the pizza anyway, and that is fine. In other cases, if the pie is so loaded that you can't pick it all off, you just send it back and order the right pizza. Another culinary example is this - let's say you go into a Waffle House and order the ribeye steak. Now, if you have ever eaten at a Waffle House, you will know that the place is not noted for their steaks, are they? For those who have had the adventure of a Waffle House ribeye, here is what you get - it is thin, grey-looking, and more full of gristle and fat than it is actual meat. However, if you are hungry, you can eat it and satisfy your body's needs, but it will be a challenge - you can eat the meat, but you may have to spit out a lot of gristle and fat, and that could be almost 50% of the steak! You still get a meal, but you have to find the tasty bits of it by spitting out a lot of junk. Reading things can be like that as well - you can read a book, disagree with its fundamental thesis, but still take maybe a grain of wisdom from it. The challenge is learning how to do this well. For instance, I am a Biblical Creationist, and in all honesty I like watching some of Kent Hovind's earlier seminars as he did present some decent information back in the day before he went to prison for structuring assets illegally in the mid-2000s. The problem with Hovind though is twofold - for one, he is a fundamentalist independent Baptist, which means that at times watching his material you have to wade through some ridiculous anti-Catholic diatribes (many of his sources for this come from Chick Publications - enough said!) as well as some wild but less-controversial theories like him saying Noah was originally a giant or something. When you are watching this stuff, you have to ask yourself a question - what can I glean from this information that is useful? As you watch it, ignoring the more outlandish things, you start to say "OK, now I can agree with that point," or "Yes, I can see the reasoning there,' and then it should inspire you to do your own research. You may have come across a good detail, and once you do the footwork yourself, you find it has substance but can be refined a bit and cleaned up, and when it is the result is something good. This is part of a forgotten skill called critical reading, and it helps you to exercise your own mental muscle. Another guy I liked before his tragic and untimely passing was a speaker named Rob Skiba. Rob did some good work, especially in the earlier days of his ministry. However in the past couple of years before he passed on he got himself into "flat-earthism" and a few other odd things, but it didn't detract from some of his good earlier work. However, likewise, there were things I had to spit out with Rob's teachings too -for instance, he actually believed carnivorous dinosaurs were actually a species of Nephilim, which was just, well, out there. Skiba's and Hovind's material can be best equated with a diamond in a sewer - there is a lot of smelly crap, but the diamond in it is still valuable - it just needs to be cleaned up and given some TLC. A true scholar will never shy away from even controversial or disagreeable material because ultimately you find something in it that is useful and can be salvaged. It also settles something else - despite how good we are, we still fall short of perfection and are concupiscent beings. We have to accept that and try to look at good things while throwing out bad things, and therefore it will enrich us in unexpected ways. Disagreement is part of that - we live in an imperfect world, so we won't ever agree with everything. But, we should be informed enough to use a gift called discernment to sort what is true, good, and beautiful from the rest. At times it is easy, but in some cases it may be beyond redemption - for instance, there is no good to be salvaged from things such as prostitution, homosexuality, abuse, crime, and totalitarianism. There are precious souls, created in God's image, that get caught up in that junk, and in that case they are the diamonds that need to be salvaged out of the crap, cleaned up, and turned into what God intended them to be. Thing is, you have to find the diamond and salvage it first before you can clean it up. That is what evangelization ultimately does for us. This again is another aspect that is going to premise where I am going here, so bear with me.
Being able to discern truth from error, salvage good things from bad contexts, and drawing from a diverse reservoir are aspects that are essential to having a vision for what the Catholic Church as a whole should be. The problem with these visions is that not everyone will see things exactly as you do, but they may have some things that refine and compliment your ideas, and that is where catholicity shows its real strength. And, that is one part of it Fr. Michael missed in his long missive in the bulletin a couple of weeks ago - he was quick to dismiss traditionalists like the SSPX, but practically silent regarding actual threats to Christian faith that are glaringly obvious. And, that leads to the third aspect that is important - consistency. If you are going to propose to implement something new, the major and integral question to ask is this - is it compatible with the historical Deposit of Faith? If it is, then I would say to refine it somewhat and see where it fits. By this point, you may already have figured that when I speak of the Catholic Church, I am not referring to the official Vatican apparatus - if anything, the official Church has neglected her historic roots in favor of a misinterpretation of what Fr. Michael said about "making eternal truth present to our particular time." Truth is not arbitrary - you either accept it or you don't, but you don't alter truth to fit the times, but rather adopt those things within the particular time to conform to the truth. Many Vatican officials and Church bureaucrats get this backwards, and they are rejecting good things while embracing wrong things. The consistency is lacking, in other words. So, again it begs the question of what constitutes being "Catholic," and who falls short. Some like Fr. Michael, despite noble intentions, miss this by infinity. However, the times we live in right now dictate that we understand what being truly Catholic is, and it may mean looking beyond the confines of Pope Leo and the conciliar Vatican Church. A true reform, revival, and a clearer definition of what it means to be Catholic is essential now, and this is where I am going to start my proposal by first revisiting the Brazilian Pentecostals for a moment.
The Christian Congregation in Brazil, as noted in the last discussion, was the result of the missionary efforts of an Italian-American evangelist by the name of Luigi Francescon beginning sometime around 1910. One of the very unique aspects of this movement, much like its American sister Pentecostal denomination the Apostolic Faith Mission in Portland, OR, is the use of large orchestras in its services, and I found that quite interesting. When people think of the term "Pentecostal," often what comes to mind is ladies in "glory buns" hopping around banging tambourines and speaking in tongues. It conjures imagery of popular stereotypes of religious fervor in the American South, and there are Pentecostals who do that. Thing is, that is not all Pentecostals though. Even in the US, the Apostolic Faith Mission represents a type of old-time Pentecostalism that is formal, reserved, and ordered, and while the spiritual gifts are accepted and practiced, it is always within a certain context. Likewise, we look at even revivalists in the Charismatic movement of the 1960s and 1970s such as Kathryn Kuhlman, and it is actually quite reverent. In the developing world, many Pentecostals are similar, and this Brazilian group exemplifies that. However, don't take being reverent and formal as being stuck in a time warp, because it was actually highly innovative of the Brazilian Pentecostals to adapt new instrumentation such as contrabass, subcontrabass, and now even an octocontrabass saxophone into their worship, and for me that is intriguing on so many levels. Likewise, you think of renewal movements within historic Churches too over the centuries - the CAC, and in Armenia you had the Brotherhood of Lovers of the Church, which brought into the traditional Armenian Church a sort of spiritual renewal movement. When I was trying to find out more about this group, I noticed many Evangelicals have been also studying it with interest, and in one article I came across by a Romanian Anglican author named Danut Manastireanu, he referenced an Armenian historian named Alexander Agadjanian who said "the Brotherhood was both an imitation of Protestant forms of piety and mission, and at the same time a protective reaction against Protestants from within the Armenian Apostolic tradition," a concept called "union of love" (Danut Manastireanu, "The Brotherhood of the Armenian Apostolic Church: An Oriental Orthodox Renewal Movement," East-West Church Report, 26:2 (2017?) at https://eastwestreport.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=622:the-brotherhood-of-the-armenian-apostolic-church-an-oriental-orthodox-renewal-movement&catid=113:e-26-2&Itemid=1350 - Accessed August 5, 2026). This is similar to the idea that my late friend and Armenian Pentecostal pastor Dr. Krikor Haleblian wrote of in his book The Armenian Church in Context, which emphasized how both established tradition and evangelical renewal needed to compliment with each other. This is also one of the convictions that led to the the Chicago Call meetings in 1977 which prefaced the Convergence Movement, and relied heavily on the writings of people such as Robert Webber. I doubt if those dear Brazilian Pentecostals have any connection to any of this, but they do embody an aspect of it. This is what I believe truly making eternal truth relevant to our particular age is all about - it doesn't compromise it, but can embrace things that are not in conflict with it. Fr. Michael unfortunately in his bulletin discourse failed to even dialogue about it - it was as if he didn't care because he was part of the "party line" and knew little about spiritual renewal, and that was shocking given he is a part of a religious order - the Dominicans - who historically have been gifted with the charism of preaching. You would think that spiritually-sensitive Dominicans would be screaming for renewal in the Catholic Church, but then you have Fr. Michael sounding more like an aloof Jesuit than a custodian of a charism his religious order possesses. That was perhaps more sobering to me than anything in all honesty. However, unlike in the Armenian Church, there was never an organized movement for spiritual renewal I am aware of in the Roman Church - the Charismatic Renewal in the 1960s impacted many for sure, and of course many Franciscans, a number of Dominicans, and even the occasional devout Jesuit were part of it, but as a charism it was never emphasized. Perhaps had that been the case, the issues that have plagued the modern Roman Church would not be existent, or at least they would be manageable and dealt with better than they have been. Also, in recent decades the Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church has sort of deflated - you still have some prayer groups and communities, but nothing on the scale they once were. In a way, I can see why - the Pentecostalization of some Catholic charismatics led to the introduction of the babblings of televangelists, and that was off-putting to more traditional Catholics. True spiritual renewal needs to bring a new appreciation to traditions, and in doing so it makes being Catholic a more fulfilling thing than it is for many. It is at this point I wanted to introduce my own model before wrapping up the discussion.
To begin, let me reiterate what I mean by "Catholic" - I am not speaking of the Roman Catholic Church, nor of the current dumpster-fire that is the Vatican right now. If anything, while some have the trappings of Catholicity, they are not actually Catholic. I take a position that both encompasses the literal meaning of the word - universal - as well as noting that authentic Catholic faith can exist outside of Pope Leo's control. As a Continuing Anglican Churchman, I was probably more Catholic then than I am now as a part of the official Roman Church, and I held many of the same convictions then I do now. There are a lot of good, faithful, and orthodox Anglicans whom I believe can rightly be called Catholic, and I also see it in other churches as well - the Orthodox of course without question, and also groups like the Polish National Church and some Old Catholic jurisdictions, as well as Roman sedevacantists and larger traditional movements like the SSPX. To this regard, I also apply the Vincentian Canon - the Catholic faith is that believed at all times, in all places by everyone. It reveres sacramental theology, liturgical worship, and the richness of Tradition, but at the same time is open to winds of renewal and reform where needed. By that standard, many so-called Roman Catholics fall short, but many Anglicans and others meet the criteria. This settles one thing - the Church is the Church, and it is universal, but it is not necessarily under the authority of one man (meaning Pope Leo XIV). So, unlike Fr. Michael's allegation that traditionalists want to "step out" of the Catholic faith and say "the Church is no longer Catholic," he misses the point. No one says the Church is no longer Catholic, but the tares in the wheatfield, many of whom hold high offices in ecclesiastical structure, may be the ones who are no longer Catholic. If a Pope elevates idols in a church (as Francis did) or calls a mosque inside the Vatican "a holy place," (as Leo just did), that forfeits their faith as Catholics. And, when a "priest" like James Martin prances around and proclaims gay "marriage" is "a blessing," he too ceases to be Catholic. They abandoned the faith, not us, and not God's Remnant Church. The Church does have boundaries, standards, and a historically defined faith that cannot be changed, and even if engaging with the present is a thing, it means doing so without compromising "the faith once and for all handed to the saints." So, what is the vision of the true Catholic faith? Let me give you mine.
If I had the capacity to enact reforms in the Church, here are some of them:
1. Restore holiness to the ministry, and make clergy strictly accountable to the Deposit of Faith. If they deviate from it significantly, they forfeit their right to be priests.
2. Encourage spiritual renewal. The Evangelicals and Pentecostals have some good things we could use, such as home Bible studies, revival meetings, and other things that deepen one's faith. Perhaps finding ways to adapt these to Catholic practice would not be a bad thing.
3. Really recognize talents and gifts of others. Instead of just seeing how much someone puts in the collection plate, for once actually mean it when the whole "time, talent, and treasure" spiel happens with every bishop's appeal letter. There are many people who have great potential to serve Christ and his Church, and the clergy would do well to really reach out and encourage them. Too many pastors don't even know what the hell their members look like, and that is nothing short of scandalous.
4. Proliferation of the arts and literature. The Church should be a bastion of culture, and not in the "Seven-Mountain Mandate" nonsense that some hyper-charismatics espouse. Like those Brazilian Pentecostals, encourage the use of new and interesting musical instruments like contrabass saxophones in liturgical music, but also encourage the blossoming of culture outside the church doors too. It is time that more symphonic works, pieces of literature, and other things happened, and if there is spiritual renewal, there should also be a cultural renaissance that comes with it.
5. Rebuilding the Sense of Community in Churches - this is a big one! Too many people feel alone and forgotten about, and often don't even feel welcomed in the average Catholic parish. It is time to change that, and the clergy need to model the example.
These are just five proposals I have to reinvigorate church life, but I sadly don't see hope inside those churches in communion with the Vatican. The Vatican and its hierarchy have become bureaucratic and political, and they don't give a damn about the average person in the pews of the parish. If they did, then junk like Traditionis Custodius would not have happened. Perhaps if the Pope would stop being a politician for once and actually shepherd his people as the Vicar of Christ he claims to be, the Church would undergo a transformation unlike anything seen in generations. It would also mean that a lot of nominalism, CINO's (Catholics in Name Only), and other riff-raff would fall away, and good riddance - since they were not truly Catholic (or for that matter even Christian in the broadest sense) the Church would do better without them. Many voices in the nominal Church now cry out for justice, but they have no faith - their actions have politicized theology, and people suffer worse because of it. Perhaps if some had an actual inner conversion, the outward transformation of the society around them would happen. Could you imagine Baltimore for instance if Catholics started actually acting Christian and believing true faith?? I have a feeling this city would get cleaned up in a matter of weeks - the abandoned rowhouses would be gone, the trash cleaned up off the streets, and an overhaul of a corrupt city government would then make the path clear for true justice in this city. It's a tall order yes, but with God all things are possible. Prayer support is the major factor, and that is where it starts. Clean house in the Church, and it will positively impact society. That is the missing factor.
Well, you get an idea of where I am going with all this now, so the challenge is yours - will you be truly Catholic, or will you remain comfortable in a parish church where Pope Leo doesn't know and could care less about your existence (and sadly, this is true even of local parish pastors in many areas too). Search your heart, study to show yourself approved, and then let the evidence speak to you for itself - you might be surprised. Thanks again for bearing with me, and see you next time.
